While at Cisco Live US 2019, Matt Leib attended a few Tech Field Day Extra presentations. One was from Cisco, where they highlighted HyperFlex product using Kubernetes and the Anthos management platform. For Matt, the dream of true multi-cloud, with the ability to move actual containers from location to location, requires a proper management layer. This is what Anthos offers to users. He still has some questions about the approach, but HCI for containers certainly has a nice ring to it.